Engine swaps? i dont understand but i am new



  • Hi lads,
    im struggling to understand the engine types and all this dei,kzml stuff.
    what i do understand is that the ford probe and the mx6 goes in.
    sorry for stupid questions but could some one explain as id much more understand if it was writen like say the mx6 2.5 v6 goes straigh into the mx3,the engine is model number blady bla.

    what id like to also know is,what turbo engine would go straight int to the mx3, ive read that certain mx6 or probes have either around 160 bhp or 200 bhp,i would like a simple pull out put in and around 200 bhp would be nice,im thinking i could just buy a whole mx6 or probe mot failure and just straight swap.

    what is the best turbod engine and what car is it that will go straight into the mx3 at around 200+ bhp?

    im knew so dont know the engine names,but tell me the name of the car and i will know.
    i have no doubt i will understand in no time but curious at moment.
    really appreciate your time.
    thanks



  • You have just opened a whole can of worms my boy . . .



  • @e981c709a2=Mechanic:

    You have just opened a whole can of worms my boy . . .

    lol,thought it might,my braine feels like a can of worms when im reading half the engine posts.
    may be a clear guide to what car,what engine it has and engine code would be easier for people like my self.
    now tell me your putting a red top turbo in a tigra and i know exactly what your on about.
    just need to get a idea of what cars got what engines in and if there turbo or not.
    sorry to have opened up a deep thread but it really needs to be explained a little more clearly "engine wise.
    if there was a list like

    mazda mx6 2.6 v6 can have bla bla and fits straight in mx3 but you will need or will not need the gear box.

    probe 24v v6 has blady bla and same as above

    mazda xedoes has blady bla.

    you get what i mean.
    sorry to of asked stupid complicated questions but im genuinely confused.
    just needs explaining a little for us new to mazda world and some one with the know and a bit of patience to let us know.
    take care



  • :lol: brilliant!

    very basically then:

    V6

    2.5 KLZE (200bhp ish) - goes straight in, same loom, diff ecu

    2.5 KLDE (165bhp ish) - as above

    4 cyl

    1.8 BP (132bhp) - some mods

    1.6 B6-T (147bhp) - some mods, new loom, new or modded ecu

    1.8 BP-T (179bhp) - as above

    1.8 BPD-T (206bhp) - as above

    thats pretty much it. there a few other options but they require a lot of modification and £££'s

    there is also info in the How-To section on the V6 swap



  • THANK YOU VERY MUCH FELLA.
    me think a sticky in engine section with whats quoted and cars they come out of so newbs like my self know exactly what every ones talking about.just needs the car they come out of or shall i say originally belong too.

    1.8 BPD-T BP-T and 2.5 KLZE sounds like what im after,what cars they come out of???
    4cyl pumpin more bhp the v6 lol, youd never think that would you.
    im not going to ask technical stuff like which ones can be turbod up and stuff as now i have a idea of whats what i will find the threads and understand better,just need to know the cars now please.
    thank you very much mate,i really appreciate it.

    @5e030125c0=Stephen-mx3:

    :lol: brilliant!

    very basically then:

    V6

    2.5 KLZE (200bhp ish) - goes straight in, same loom, diff ecu

    2.5 KLDE (165bhp ish) - as above

    4 cyl

    1.8 BP (132bhp) - some mods

    1.6 B6-T (147bhp) - some mods, new loom, new or modded ecu

    1.8 BP-T (179bhp) - as above

    1.8 BPD-T (206bhp) - as above

    thats pretty much it. there a few other options but they require a lot of modification and £££'s

    there is also info in the How-To section on the V6 swap



  • The KLZE that i have got is from Japan it's out of a MX6 automatic.



  • @0ac5e5493c=Mechanic:

    The KLZE that i have got is from Japan it's out of a MX6 automatic.

    thanks for reply mechanic.
    do they come in manual?
    i think thats the engine im after but i really am a manual person.

    sorry if this thread sounds stupid to some people nut i am new to the mazda and swapping world and very interested as for the price of a few parts i could buy a mot failed mx6 and just swap engine.
    all im after is names of the cars with the name of the engines thats all,nothing to complicated.

    tell me names of cars and il know exactly what your on about but engine names a havnt a clue.
    we all start some where right?
    thanks for replies



  • The manuel gear box on my original 1.8 K8 bolts straight on.



  • ok you can get the 2.5 v6 in
    mx6
    626
    Xedos 9

    codes on the front head at the back by the inlet manifold

    kl 31 is a 200 bhp kl ze
    kl 01 is a 160 bhp kl de



  • @2fff633f61=james:

    ok you can get the 2.5 v6 in
    mx6
    626
    Xedos 9

    codes on the front head at the back by the inlet manifold

    kl 31 is a 200 bhp kl ze
    kl 01 is a 160 bhp kl de

    thanks mate and thanks mechanic.
    thats basicly what i wanted to know.
    i guess i have to rally my car till some thing breaks for the excuse to get the engine :D .
    take care and thanks lads



  • Good luck blowing your K8 up i didn't manage and i kicked the s**t out of it on the track and road… for fair few miles. God that lumps strong..

    Wish i could say the same about the 3rd gear :P



  • @861f7da813=Mechanic:

    Good luck blowing your K8 up i didn't manage and i kicked the s**t out of it on the track and road… for fair few miles. God that lumps strong..

    Wish i could say the same about the 3rd gear :P

    lol,i aint going to deliberatly do it,jus give it a bit more then i usually do knowing im safe for another engne.

    hows your 2.5 copped mechanic?
    is it easy to work on like changin cam belt and oil and air filters?
    thanks



  • Turbo engines can fit into the mx3's how ever, there is a fair bit of work to be done, i.e mazota, had to roll the chassis legs and bits just do we could get the engine in.



  • The powers just right, enough for a fwd anyway… Been in talks with a fabrication company about making me a rear craddle for mine.

    Hoping to get another KLZE and drop it in the boot..

    5 Litre, 8 cams, 48 Valves, AWD 420 Bhp . . yum yum..

    Just gotta sell some other projects first.. Then it's out with the grinder..

    As for working on, yeah they are ok.. plenty of room and fairly well designed..



  • @d8af8a65c1=Welly:

    Turbo engines can fit into the mx3's how ever, there is a fair bit of work to be done, i.e mazota, had to roll the chassis legs and bits just do we could get the engine in.

    been looking at the turbo mods and i think its a bit pricey for me 1-2k,i was thinking there was may be a mazda that was standard a turbo that i could just pull the engine out and fit but not by the sounds of it.

    200bhp with the klze will suite me down to the ground.

    mechanic lol,i know some one thats got a mini with rotary engine in that wants to put a rotary in the boot as well lol.
    will be mean.

    i cant beleive the k8 standard v6 only pull 130 bhp,thats low for a v6,can get 150 bhp out of vauxhall DOHC 2.0 16valves standard.

    when i sort body out and have spare cash im just going to mooch for a smashed or mot failed probe or mx6.

    if i get a hole mx6 "ive seen them the chapest", do i need to change the gear box and ecu?
    im thinking of just pulling the lot out of mine and putting all the other in to save messing about and keep money and time to a minimum.
    thanks again lads,really appreciate it



  • you can chang the ecu or chip the k8 ecu



  • @b3bbab6c42=james:

    you can chang the ecu or chip the k8 ecu

    yea was just reading about a bloke in usa who does chips for $45 think it was jonos post on engine swaps.

    will have a look for chang.

    so why does it need chipping if engine runs ok in the mx6 with out chipping?
    im on about buying a mx6 with every thing and swapping the hole engine,gear box and ecu in to mine "well thats the plan" but need to understand a little more..
    thanks



  • o if your useing the mx6 ecu then its fine i ment if you use the k8 ecu one in the car then that needs chiping



  • @0cbaaf8aca=james:

    o if your useing the mx6 ecu then its fine i ment if you use the k8 ecu one in the car then that needs chiping

    lol,i just thought that and posted on other thread.
    yeah i get you now,if i use my standard k8 ecu it will need chipping.
    i want to do what youve done with the xedos mate,infact exactly what youve done.
    thanks



  • well being a Xedos 9 with the full millenia 2.5 its best to use the k8 chiped coz of the veris valves in the inlet there 3 difrent inlets short neck long neck ans the millenia curv neck
    i think the long neck goes with a kl31 ecu
    and the short with a kl01 ecu
    but the curv neck it more like the k8 inlet so use the k8 chiped ecu


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